Hi all thanks for all your replys had a problem with computer but its ok now. My bride from hell who wants this bq has now changed it to a handtied with just trailing wire and a few orchids spotted along it. The wedding is on monday so i will hopefully post you's a piccy I will be so glad when its over she has been in at least 20 times so I know she will find some fault but who cares now she has paid up at last