Hi ian, you really need to buy from van sales, or go to market. You need to buy with your eyes as well as price. My husband goes to market 3 times a week for the cheap pick up sales, we have a dutchman call twice a week with lorry sales,and a wholesaler calls twice a week, we are quite busy, but you need to begin with van sales if you can't get to market, they will stick by you while you are starting, don't be embarresed to buy small. But DON'T have loads calling, try one or two, find the best one and stick with him, any help you need, just ask, good luck babe