Hi Ian, I had noooo intentions of upsetting you, what could I possibly gain? I did floristry for 10 years before I introduced myself as a florist, mainly because I didn't feel confident enough, once I was experienced in every field, then I called myself a florist. Don't throw your toys out of the pram babe, I truly meant no harm, I also wanted to know what experiences designer florists had apart from what florists do, I'm not talking about jane Packer etc. are you still mad with me?