I wasnt going to reply to this thread cause i didnt want everyone to think i was a cheapskate but hey ho......i use fleur vital sachets cause basically they are the cheapest ones that are written in english, and a 5kg tub of whatever is the cheapest on the day for my vases, oh...i do sound a bit like a cheapskate dont i, I do use chrysal leaf shine, cause i cant find a cheaper one