hip hip i am not on my own. I can tell you honestly if i charged more than 25 i would not get any work for them and also people would judge me as expensive for everything. i dont actually use 20 stems but always order then use up the rest in other stuff. I have been stung before when doubles have been crap so always have too much in. I do ribbon edge right up to the edge and instead of doing a spray on either end i just do one flower on each letter with ivy and stuff to make it more modern. I have worked it out to what i pay, time etc and i do actually make a profit although not that much. I am actually prob more expensive in other areas of funeral work and this is where i can make the money so you could actually call the letters a loss leader!! My wedding work however is more expensive and we get heaps of wedddings so not too worried. Hey louise a you are in liverpool arent you which is not far from me so it must be an area thing!!